Rep. Chris Stewart On Russian Meddling, Health Care And The ‘Challenge’ Of Trump

Portrait photo of Rep. Chris Stewart.

As part of KUER’s ongoing series of congressional candidate profiles, Nicole Nixon spoke with Stewart about Russian meddling in U.S. elections, his votes to repeal and replace the Affordable Care Act, and the “challenge” of the Trump Administration.

Utah’s Second District Congressman Chris Stewart is seeking a fourth term in the U.S. House of Representatives. The author and former Air Force pilot sits on the influential House Intelligence Committee and the House Appropriations Committee. Stewart faces two challengers in the November election: Democrat Shireen Ghorbani and Libertarian Jeffrey Whipple.

Some responses have been edited for length and clarity.

Nicole Nixon: Are you worried about Russian meddling in this year’s midterm elections?

Rep. Chris Stewart: Absolutely. I was in Moscow in August before the election and I came home and I did dozens of media interviews saying they’re going to mess with our elections, they’re going to try to interfere. And they did, there’s no question about that. One of the reasons that the House Intelligence Committee – which I sit on – was so anxious to release our report last spring was so that we could prepare for the 2018 midterm elections. We had 47 recommendations that we feel would help us counter some of this interference.

N: You have previously said that there’s no evidence that Russia was trying to help President Trump in the 2016 election, do you still believe that?

S: What we said, what the intel committee concluded, was that the tradecraft – the process – that the CIA, and other organizations, but primarily the CIA went through was found to be lacking. And there’s no question that that’s true. They rushed to report and we were concerned about the process that they went through, and whether that process allowed them to come to an accurate conclusion.

But putting all that aside, here’s the end of the day, bottom line reality: you can’t know what Vladimir Putin wanted unless you can crawl inside his head and actually read his thoughts. But I’ve got to tell you, it doesn’t matter. It truly doesn’t matter. The reality is that they interfered, they were successful at it, and we’ve got to do everything we can to counter that.

Here’s the end of the day, bottom line reality: you can’t know what Vladimir Putin wanted unless you can crawl inside his head and actually read his thoughts.

 

There’s a distinction to make here, too, which is important. There’s a difference between actually affecting the outcome of an election by changing votes – going in and manipulating the voting machine – we have no evidence that that occurred. And again, I don’t know that they ever actually tried to do that. The intel indicates that they were trying to penetrate a couple of voter registration databases, for example, but not actually voting machines.

The bigger thing, the thing that they’re very successful at: they want to break down the foundation of democracy. They want to break down people’s trust in the electoral process. They want to make us angry and frankly, in some cases hate each other. And they’ve been very successful in that. And I think that’s a that’s a harder challenge to address because you’re talking about opinions and people’s perceptions of things. And it’s a little bit harder to fix that.

N: Your opponent in this election, Shireen Ghorbani, is criticizing your votes to repeal the Affordable Care Act. If Obamacare isn’t working, what do you think is the right solution for making sure that people have access to health care?

S: Ever since I came to Congress this has been an enormous issue. And I’ve had the opportunity to meet with hundreds, maybe even more than a thousand Utahns, people in my district, who have been negatively affected by Obamacare. We were promised that it would drive down the cost of healthcare by $2,500 for a family of four. Exactly the opposite has happened. And I just felt like we could do better. So repealing Obamacare itself is not enough. You have to replace it with something and have those priorities: protect pre-existing conditions, protect Medicaid and Medicare, protect women’s health, drive down costs.

There’s no question about it, health care is a real challenge for America. Obamacare, I believe, was a sincere effort to make it better. My conclusion was that it didn’t and we could do better. And I hope we have a chance to do that.

N: You are working on a couple of public land bills that would affect Utah. Can you explain what those would do and why they’re important?

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One of our initiatives is to take part of the (Grand Staircase-Escalante) National Monument now, and actually turn it into a national park. It’s worthy of being a national park. It’s that spectacular. One of the things we hope to accomplish by that is if you go down a Moab, for example. Oh my gosh, it’s like walking around a Walmart. It’s crowded everywhere. You can’t find a place to park many times, you don’t have that kind of serene, isolated experience, and (there’s) congestion in Zion and in many of the others as well. So we hope by creating this sixth national park we relieve some of the congestion in some of the other national parks. The third thing is tourism is an important part of the industry and economic culture in rural Utah. And this would help foster that, it would encourage that. We think that’s a good thing.

I do think there’s this one economic reality and that is it’s difficult to raise a family if the only option before you is a is a job in the tourism industry. So we would hope to open up other economic avenues other economic opportunities for people in rural Utah. I kind of feel like I’m standing up for the little guy a lot of times, having talked to some of these ranchers, having talked to some of these families who have a couple of generations who have been coal miners and they feel like, ‘These opportunities being taken away from me. I can’t raise my family, I’m going to have to move up to Salt Lake City and find a job up there.’ Let’s see if we can find ways where they can stay there. If they can work in the tourism industry, great. If they want a working cattle and ranching, great. Can’t we find ways where we could allow them to do all of these options?

N: How would you grade the Trump administration halfway through its first term?

S: I have kind of this bit of a challenge with the administration because I support his policies – they’ve helped so many Americans. Lowest African-American unemployment rate ever, lowest Hispanic unemployment rate ever, incomes are rising, (we have) more jobs now than we have workers. We’ve defeated ISIS, we’re confronting China in the South China Sea, and we have judicial nominees which I’m very, very supportive of. I support those things, but on the other hand, he makes my job so much harder with some of the things he says and some of the things he tweets.

I support those things, but on the other hand, he makes my job so much harder with some of the things he says and some of the things he tweets.

 

His press conference in Helsinki was indefensible. I was on an airplane flying back to D.C. when he held that press conference and when I landed and heard what he said, I immediately talked to the media and said, ‘Mr. President, you’re wrong. You should correct the record and you should defend the work of the intelligence community.’ So, there are times when I have to challenge the president and there are times when I want to defend his policies because I think they’re helping Americans.

But we live in a divided time in a divided country. No matter what I do or what I say about half the people are going to be angry with me, right? So you might as well say what you think is true and do what you think is right, and then kind of let the chips fall where they may.

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Utah Rep. Chris Stewart says it’s too early to know if Trump broke campaign finance laws

SALT LAKE CITY — It’s too early to say whether President Donald Trump committed a crime as his former lawyer and fixer asserted while pleading guilty to breaking campaign finance laws and other charges in court, Rep. Chris Stewart said Wednesday.

The Utah Republican said there might be some implications for Trump regarding Federal Election Commission violations, but it’s not clear to him what those would be.

“I don’t know that we know that yet. I think we should let the process play out, by the way. Let them go through what any other candidate or elected official would go through. That is, if there was a potential violation, let the FEC investigate that,” Stewart said.

Stewart was one of few Republicans to speak on the issue Wednesday.

Michael Cohen said in a federal court hearing in New York on Tuesday that Trump directed him to arrange the payment of hush money to porn star Stormy Daniels and a former Playboy model to fend off damage to his election campaign. Cohen admitted to lying about his income to evade income taxes, lying to banks to obtain loans and making illegal contributions to benefit Trump’s White House bid.

Also Tuesday, a federal court jury in Virgina found Paul Manafort, Trump’s former campaign manager, guilty of tax fraud and bank fraud in a separate case.

Stewart said he sees no ties to the Trump campaign because those crimes happened long before Manafort’s association with the president. He said Manafort should go to jail and Trump shouldn’t even think about pardoning him.

“I think it’s a terrible idea, and I don’t think the president’s considering it. But I hope he’s not. Why in the world would you pardon this individual? Why treat him any differently than any other person who broke the law?” Stewart said.

Sen. Orrin Hatch, R-Utah, also weighed in on the Manafort and Cohen cases, telling reporters Wednesday the news constituted “serious

“Well I’m not very happy about it,” he said of the hush money. “It should never have happened to begin with.”

“Naturally it makes you very concerned, but the president should not be held responsible for the actions of the people he’s trusted,” Hatch said.

Hatch also told the New York Times Wednesday that he believes Trump is a changed man since taking office.

“Eight years ago to 10 years ago, Trump was not what I consider to be a pillar of virtue,” Hatch told the Times. “I think he has changed a lot of his life once he was elected. I think Trump is a much better person today than he was then.”

Hatch went on to say that, “I think most people in this country realize that Donald Trump comes from a different world. He comes from New York City, he comes from a slam-bang, difficult world. It is amazing he is as good as he is. If anything, you have to give him plaudits for the way he has run the country as president,” the Times reported.

The Democratic and Republican candidates seeking to replace Hatch expressed their thoughts on Twitter.

“Know a man by his friends. The president cannot distance himself from the crimes of his former personal attorney or his campaign chair,” said Jenny Wilson, a Democratic Salt County Council member.

Mitt Romney, the 2012 GOP presidential nominee, tweeted, “The events of the last 24 hours confirm that conduct by highly placed individuals was both dishonorable and illegal. Also confirmed is my faith in our justice system and my conviction that we are a nation committed to the rule of law.”

Sen. Mike Lee, R-Utah, called the Cohen indictment “troubling” and said Americans deserve to know more.

“The allegations in this indictment are going to be adjudicated one way or another, and until we know more about how it will be adjudicated I think it is premature to speculate about the allegations in the indictment,” he said in a statement.

Rep. Mia Love, R-Utah, said in a statement that countless Americans have given their lives to ensure laws apply to everyone equally.

“The recent conviction of Paul Manafort and guilty plea from Michael Cohen show that none are above the law. As always, I support the processes through which legal wrongdoing is brought to light and believe we must let those processes play out,” she said.

Rep. Rob Bishop, R-Utah, expressed similar thoughts.

“We are a nation of laws and those laws are upheld by a sound legal system,” he said in a statement. “While many are hungry for finality, we must all respect the thorough nature of the system and allow justice to run its course.”

Stewart said he continues to back the president’s goals for the country, even though some of Trump’s personal behavior puts him in a tough spot as a congressman.

“It’s not the first time that I’ve had this problem where I support the president’s agenda,” Stewart said. “But when it comes to his personal behavior and some of the other things, it puts me in a bind because I can’t support those and I’ve been clear on that.”

Rep. John Curtis, R-Utah, was in South America on official business for the House Foreign Affairs Committee and unavailable for comment, his spokeswoman, Katie Thompson, said.